for that. our pope coverage continues later. great being with you this weekend. "fox news sunday" is next. i'm chris wallace. today, the former front runner of the republican party, governor jeb bush, on regaining momentum after the summer of the outsider. >> let's talk about where you stand in this race. we'll go inside his campaign in his home state of florida. >> the next president of the united states. >> how you doing? >> and ask about these controversial remarks. >> our message isn't one of division and get in line and we'll take care of you with free stuff. >> jeb bush, in his first sunday

interview in four months. then, house speaker john boehner stuns congress, announcing his retirement. >> it's the right time to do it. and i'm entirely comfortable doing. >> we'll talk to two republicans. and plus, our sunday panel with the winners and losers in a new fox news poll. all, right now, on "fox news sunday." >> and hello again, from fox news in washington. it's been a remarkable week in politics. john boehner, shocking washington with his surprise resignation. the day after pope francis lectured congress about working together for the common good.

but first, our exclusive conversation with jeb bush. he's gone from front runner to middle of the pack. but he's making up ground. he took us to a park in little havana, where people are playing their traditional game of dominos. they greeted him like an old friend. >> on the one hand, they speak spanish, but they're good, assimilated americans, too. >> well, it's american life. the first generation comes, sacrifices for their children, and they end up being as american as anybody else. >> then we went to a bush field office to discuss a campaign that has been tougher than many expected. let's start with some news.

you made some comments that stirred up controversy about how republicans should reach out to african-american voters. >> our message isn't one of division and get in line, and we'll take care of you with free stuff. >> people are comparing that to what mitt romney said about free stuff in 2012. >> to the contrary. we need to make the case to african-american voters and all voters that an aspirational message will help people to rise up. that's what they want, not free stuff. the left argues all the time taking things out of context. we have 6 million more people in poverty than the day barack obama took office.

this idea that you can regulate and tax and spend your way to prosperity has failed. we spend $1 trillion a year on poverty, and it's remained the same. we should try something different. which is give people the capacity to earn success, fix our schools and economy, and lessen the crime rates. >> and john boehner is stepping down as speaker of the house, is that a good or bad thing for conservatives? >> we'll see how it plays out. i think we need a conservative president that can work with the congress. we wouldn't have these problems if we had a president that would commit to passing a budget, repealing obama care -- >> but what about boehner stepping down? >> i don't know. i admire him greatly. he left at the apex of his time

and service to the country with the pope speaking in congress. i think people are going to miss him in the long run, because he's a person that is focused on solviing problems. >> let's talk about where you stand, you're now down almost 10% from earlier. in new hampshire, you're fifth. i know you say, and you're going to say, it's a marathon. but why do you think you've fallen back? >> look, it is a marathon. we started advertising, we got great response, i'm confident i can win new hampshire for sure. i'm going to work very hard at it. and once people see my tax and

energy proposals, people will get a sense that things can get better for america. and when i tell the jeb story in florida, reforming the things that were important for people in the state. led the nation in job growth seven out of eight years. all of those are important. >> i was sitting right across from you in the fox debate, as donald trump was talking, i could see you shaking your head like, i can't believe i'm losing to this guy. but recently, you've become more assertive and aggressive. and do you think in some way, trump is making you a better candidate? >> campaigns are about getting better each day. and that's what i intend to do. but i'm running a heart campaign, running with heart, and i'm making progress.

these polls don't filter out the people that aren't going to vote. i know it's an obsession, but it frames the debate for the people for that week. but i'm in it for the long haul. >> early on, you talked about distancing yourself in your identity from your family. but that seems to have evolved. >> i'm my own man. i am a bush. i happen to see two very good presidents develop relationships with other candidates. >> why the change? >> it's not a change. people look at my tenure, and most people say it's the most conservative, reform-minded record in the last generation. and i'm proud of my father and my brother. i don't find it a contradiction

at all. there are parts of their tenures that i'm extremely proud of. but the problem is, we have a president that dozedoesn't beli that america's presence in the world is working. and that's creating a very unstable and dangerous world. >> you've put down a tax plan. three tax brackets, a cap on tax dedictions, lower the top corporate rate, and almost double the standard deduction. >> reducing the corporate tax rate, will create a renaissance of investment in our own

country. on main street. and lowering rates to give people more money in their own pocket is a great idea. we'll curb spending, but this dynamic will create more than anything else. sanders sanders, clinton, also proposing more taxing and spending. i think we need to move away from that. cutting taxes has the benefit of increased economic activitactiv >> first, the criticism that, you gave your tax plan to conservative economists, saying that it will increase the tax deficit between $1 and $3

trillion. ronald reagan argued that the dynamic effect will be, the growth will end up paying for the revenue loss. you know what your dad called that. is this your version of voodoo economics? >> no, it narrows the deficit you're describing. but it's not the government's money, it's the people's money. we're going to have to fix the regulatory mess, and have a commitment to reduce the growth of spending. which ultimately means we have to preserve and protect entitlements for those that have it -- >> but your father and brother's tax cuts did add to the deficit. >> not as greatly as the

thinkers on the left thing. they created a dynamic of growth. if people think 2% growth is okay, we'll have more people living in poverty. and we have to jump start the economy so that people can have more money to make decisions for themselves. >> and another complaint, the issue of who benefits. the tax foundation says that the middle class will have a 2.9% increase, and an analysis of your tax returns the last six years, which you have released, indicates you would save under your tax plan, $3 million. does jeb bush need a $3 million tax cut? >> the benefit goes

disproportionately to the middle class. proportiona proportionately, they will pay more than today. >> 2.9% seems less than 11.6%. >> of course, tax cuts for everybody is going to generate more for people paying a lot more. that's just the way it is. >> let's do a lightning round. you say the next president sh t should defund planned parenthood. does that mean you're against a government shutdown? >> i'm against a government shutdown. that's not how democracy works. i think it's abhorrent that

330,000 abortions take place through these clients. but that's the problem in washington right now, it's so dysfunctional that that's considered a victory. cost the taxpayers more. >> in your 2013 book on immigration, you say that an enforce the border first policy is self-defeating. is that still your position? >> i think you can do both. but the first step is to prove that the border is secure. you can have a conversation on reform while you're doing your job. this president hasn't done that. >> finally, you're c with a new energy plan this next week. how about a headline?

>> i think we need to be all-in on energy. create a north american plan. it's more difficult to do with natural gas, and change the leasing on federal waters, there's a lot to do to create high growth for our economy, lower utility prices, i'm totally in on this. and i think the american people are as well. >> governor, thank you, and let's continue to conversation. up next, the speaker steps down. we'll speak to two house republicans. what boehner's resignation means for the future of the gop. that's next. when i got out of the hospital after a dvt blood clot.

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john boehner stunned washington friday, announcing he'll step down and leave congress in a month. this news raises questions about whether a government shutdown will be avoided and where house republicans will go from here. joining me now, tom cole, a member of boehner's leadership team. and mick mulvany. welcome to "fox news sunday." let's start with how he described his decision to step down. >> it's become clear to me, this

prolonged leadership turmoil would do irreparable harm. >> did you force him out? >> we stopped being a coequal branch of government. i had a farmer come in and tell me he had to get down on his knees and beg an epa regulator. that's sad. congress used to be able to fight back against that, use the power of the purse to do that. we've stopped, we don't use it anymore. the senate uses the filibuster, and yeah, it had to change. >> did you force him out, you and your hardline colleagues? >> i think the 72% of republican

primary voters that didn't approve of his job probably forced him out more than anything. >> your response to that? >> well, in terms of the epa, it's just not true. the power of the purse has been used. and during that time, he brought the deficit down by almost $1 trillion. the sad thing is, we have a lot of republicans telling voters the problem is republicans. the problem is barack obama and the democrats. if we focus on that, we can get something done. >> and no matter what you did in the house, there were enough,

there was a democratic majority in the senate, and you do have barack obama as president. what realistically could he have done more? >> well, we told people give us the senate and things will be different. but things are not that different. we're paying more attention to polls and filibuster roles in the senate than what we promised to do. we're using 1994 tools, when they used to go through the legislative branch. they have gone around, and unless we're able to pass legislation out of the house and senate, we'll no longer be an effective check against the executive branch. >> that's not the case. presidents do have authority to

run the executive branch. but if you look at things like making bush tax cuts permanent, and reform, it's a remarkable record of accomplishment. >> but why did he lose the confidence of dozens of members of house republicans? >> i would argue, what have you done that's accomplished anything? the last time we did that in 2013, we lost. we didn't win, and we certainly didn't repeal obama care. so, to be successful, go win some elections. jeb bush had it right, you get a president, we don't appropriate money to planned parenthood, we elect secretaries that give money to them. >> and the conventional wisdom

is that you're going to pass a continuing resolution without defunding planned parenthood, and kick the can down the road to december. is that the way it's going to come down? >> i think that's been the plan from the beginning. one of the reasons i think we fared so poorly two years ago, our leadership never believed it. we used to go to the conference, and the message is that the senate shut down, not us. and then john is blaming republicans for doing it. we don't believe it, and my guess is that we will cut a deal with democrats to keep the government open. >> well, there's no money in the short-term c.r. for planned pare parenthood.

90% comes from medicare, and the rest are from grants. there's nothing to do for this year. so, it's just not true. >> and let me pick up on this with you, because there is some speculation now that with boehner on his way out, he's going to be speaker for a month more. and now, the argument is, not only will he cut a deal to extend the c.r., but he'll also do other things like raise the debt limit, expand the import/export ban. is he going to do something like that? >> it spedepends on the deal. if he wants to do something like paul ryan wants, i would support that. >> how would you feel if john

boehner works with democrats to do that? >> anything you want to get done, as long as the president is democrat, and the democrats have filibuster control in the senate, everything has to be a compromise. >> is this a surrender caucus? >> that's not what we heard from the last election. we've overpromised and underdelivered. that's why i think there's so much disaffection in the base. >> we live in an area of divided government and a system of ch k checks and balances, and if you don't understand that -- >> i want to move on to, some presidential candidates

celebrated this resignation. here's ted cruz. >> yesterday, john boehner was speaker of the house. [ applause ] >> y'all come to town and somehow that changes. >> congressman, what do you think of, and cruz isn't the only one, republican presidenti presidential candidates saying this? >> this is a guy, boehner, with a record of 25 years of service. that got real tax cuts, entitlement reform, in a divided government. what have these other men done? nothing. and they've been in the senate for a few years, by the way. it's pretty easy to defend boehner, and hard to defend

remarks like we've just heard. >> congressman? >> if you add up the five outsiders in south carolina, i think they're pulling about 65%. >> can you defend those remarks? >> i don't defend that personal attack. i don't. this was never about personalities, and it's not just cruz. fiorina said that if we can't defund planned parenthood, we should get new leadership. >> let's get to the next issue, because the king is dead, long live the king. and the question now in washington is, who's going to replace john boehner. congressman, you were quoted saying, there's going to be a quick vote next thursday, and we'll move along on this. but now some house republicans say, let's slow down, have a

meeting of the caucus and discuss things. how likely is it that the number two man, kevin mccarthy, will move up and be the speaker? >> i think mccarthy will be the next speaker, and should be. and i think the quicker timing is better. i don't think there's a lot to be gained by dragging it out. >> will mccarthy be the speaker, and is there going to be a change? do you think some of the harder-line conservatives be there? >> i don't think there's any doubt about mccarthy, but the

question becomes, one of substance than style. will things change? i think kevin is more of a ground-up than top-down leader. but that's why we have elections. >> thank you for coming in. up next, we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss what the shakeup means for the gop. plus, what would you like to ask the panel? about boehner and the discussed planned parenthood shutdown? go to foxnews.com and we may use your question on the air. only from citracal. withof my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis... ordinary objects often seemed... intimidating.

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i don't want my members to have to go through this, or the institution. especially when i knew i was thinking about walking out the door, anyway. >> it's raised as many questions as it's answered. let's bring in george will, ann garren, michael neda, and ron williams. michael, you and your group have been bashing boehner for years. i think you'll agree. so, bottom line question, why do you think you're better off without boehner than with him? >> sure. a year ago, one of the senior

congressional aides was sayin saying -- nancy pelosi doesn't talk about her base that way. and that's the type of leadership we've had. for the last five years, conservatives in the house have fought tooth and nail to fight boehner. we need a republican leadership that is showing conservative values, how they can make life better for all americans, and sending that to the senate and to the president's desk. so we can have conversation about it, and we've had to fight our own speak espeaker. >> will the next speaker be able

to do any more, with democrats in the senate and barack obama in the oval office? >> let my give you an analogy. a baseball team can't hit, so in the middle of the season, they fire a manager. the next day, the new manager walks up to deliver the lineup card to the umpires, and it's the same lineup. i think we'll learn it's not the person, it's the plan. conservatives have to ask, would they rather have jeb henserland, managing the flow of the house, or chairing the financial services committee. same with paul ryan.

roscum is right, deep breath, calm down, and make stylistic changes, and make the most of the very little running room you've got. but basically, this is a big event because it's not a big event. >> so, is this about stylistic changes? >> no, i don't think so. the biggest fight in the senate was between conservatives and their leadership about import/export. a year and a half ago, john boehner and eric kanter were the republican leadership. in a few weeks, neither will be there anymore. >> with the republicans split,

they own a government shoutdown, but now, they don't have that. now, you don't want to raise the debt limit, fine, you own it. >> barack obama says i will not defund planned parenthood, when a coequal branch says, there are not 60 votes in senate to do it, and then everyone is supposed to say, republicans will blink. yes, because they end up blaming -- if you can't win the argument, you don't need to be lincoln or churchill, a place that jokes about buying l

lamborghinis with baby parts, you can't shut that down. >> brian maxwell says, grow a spine and shut the government down. why do conservatives always get the blame when the government gets shut down when both sides have a role. >> well, brian, i think you're blaming all republicans, and i would point to michael, and heritage, the tea party congress. i think it's about 85% of people that self-identify as tea party members, they want no part of compromise. if you attach the name obama to any idea, more republicans will say we have to fight obama.

but this lack of compromise is something you see from republicans. >> they're fighting over funding of planned parenthood. >> well, we haven't seen it in the past over issues. not democratic behavior. a constant threat of shutdown by republicans. >> can you tell the viewers -- >> i don't agree. >> why is moving money away from planned parenthood -- >> we can have a separate conversation. >> move it to separately-funded women's health centers. >> i think this is the threat to the entire -- in the way that

planned parenthood does. >> thousands of federally-funded women's health -- >> well, it's interesting to watch this fight, because at a time when hillary clinton couldn't be in more trouble, how relieved are they that the republicans are in a circular firing squad? >> clearly, for the clinton campaign, any minute that people aren't talking about e-mail and benghazi is a good minute for her. but the question is, how will she be able to capitalize on it? if the speaker of the house is not material to her or really the current state of the 2016 debate. but during the last republican

debate, the democratic, led by hillary, rapid response, was highlighting the planned parenthood thing. and this is something the clinton campaign sees as a base motivator for them and for the republican candidates. they see nothing but good in highlighting what the republican candidates are saying about it. >> and from jeb bush, saying instead of focusing on that, why not do everything you can to elect a conservative, pro-life president in 2016? >> we should. >> but don't you think some of the things being done now are hurting that effort? >> no, i think we need to make sure that things are being

delivered that are promised. the notion that if we have the senate and house and a republican president in 2017, we can get stuff done. when the house with president bush wanted to go forward, the republican congress wouldn't even schedule a vote. they want to see congress do the right thing and say we're going to shift funds from one women's health organization to another, because of the jokes about buying cars with body parts. when we come back, new fox news polls. plus, what do we think about the pope's comments to congress? let us know online. oh, look. we have a bunch of...

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hillary clinton is the big loser, and dr. ben carson is the big winner in the latest fox news poll. the democratic front runner, a new low of 38%, down seven points from may. some 56% of voters now say they have an unfavorable opinion of her, and dr. ben carson, 46% say they have a positive view of carson, up 20 points from may. and republican voters carson has a net favoritable rating, a plus-52. rube know, plus-35.

donald trump, plus-12. and with that, time to bring back our panel. george, where does this republican race stand right now? >> well, if you believe that as i think it's reasonable to believe, the trump phenomenon is past. he seems like a whiner and cry baby. wants to sue makers of t-shirts that are rude to him. i think the net favorable/unfavorable is very important. we could see rubio and cruz, in the net favorables, could be a sign of things to come. >> and donald trump spoke to the

values voter summit this week. >> you have this clown, marco rubio. i've been so nice to him. i've been so nice. i've been so nice. >> they booed him. michael, do you agree with brother will that the trump campaign is past its apogee, losing its steam? >> well, it's now up to 62% in the latest fox news poll. i think this is an insider versus outsider race. one thing that may end up helping cruz, people were able to take down john boehner, showing that kind of outsider impulse. i think that's going to, in the end, help ted cruz. >> is he your candidate?

>> i don't have a candidate. but we need someone that's an outsider, that's going to look the party in the eye that's in the pocket of big business and say it's time to vote for conservative voters. >> and hillary clinton, another bad week. especially with news that the fbi has recovered some of the so-called private e-mails that she said she had deleted. and she was asked about her claims. >> you're telling me something i don't know. all i know is what i have said, and that's it was allowed. the state department has confirmed that. >> and she just can't seem to shake that. >> and it will stick with the entire campaign. and the monthly e-mail dump from

the state department, coming this week. and it's attached to her and no matter how many times she says it's allowed, people are saying, what? didn't she do something bad? >> and there keep turning out to be these e-mails, she said she didn't start it until march of 2009. now, a bunch of e-mails that have come, with a conversation in january with david petraeus. it just feels like she hasn't told the full story. >> every time something like this comes out, there's a perception, why haven't they

ripped the band-aid off and told us everything there is to tell? i have no idea how much there is to tell, or the real explanation about the e-mails. it could be a perfectly innocent explanation. fbi has recovered some of the 30,000 private e-mails, that opens up a real possibility of a can of worms. >> absolutely. that is a real area of potential risk for her. presumably, some of those e-mails go to the many other kinds of things hilary clinton is and was and did. she was named part of a family foundation that did work-around the world, she was a former and probably future political candidate. she was a long-time connected democrat with friends across the party and going back decades with whom she communicated, as any might. the fact that she was doing it all mixed up with her work

e-mail is now a potential area of further scrutiny. >> with all due respect to donald trump and hilary clinton, i don't think there's any question that the most memorable moment of the week here in wind gust certainly was when pope francis walked down the main aisle of the house in his white robe. i love this picture looking down on him there. to urge congress to work together for the common good. and his message could not have been more simple. >> do to others as you would have them do up to you. >> everybody applauded, both sides of the aisle. is there any chance this could somehow lessen the partisanship and break the fever in washington. >> you are such an optimist, chris. no. politicians will use religion and the pope as wedge issues when it's helpful to them and they dismiss it when it's not

helpful. in general, what we saw here is the golden rule, let's work together and have some unity and get things done for the united states and the world. what you saw in terms of response from many of the democrats was, oh, you know what, typically, we distance ourselves from the pope on the abortion issue and gay rights. now, we feel more welcoming and embracing of this pope. on the republican side, it was the other response, which was, you know what, i think it was jeb bush who said on climate change the pope is wonderful but he's not a scientist. on immigration, which was his number one issue, you can see the republican base is out of sync with what the pope has to say. by 22% the united states is catholic. we had one catholic president, kennedy, one catholic vice president, biden, and i'm just astounded that we have as a nation so embraced this pope on this visit. it's not been the historical record in this country. >> george, what struck you about

the pope's visit? >> the fact he was bold in in r intervening in what he knows is a very divisive issue in this country on immigration. i happen to think he's right and also think it's problematic to have a faith leader of any persuasion and origin to intervene as forthright lin an american debate. and the net effect i think will be presidential zero. >> the pope's message was fantastic. i think our deep differences between the two parties how we can best serve and lift people out of poverty is not something we should be ashame ed of. there are philosophical differences between the parties. >> thank you. panel. up next, trying to stand up to hurricane-force winds.

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it's one of those places around washington folks here have never heard of but it turns out it's been doing fascinating work for more than half a century. here's our power player of the week. in the 21 rtst century, why do need wind tunnels? can't you do this on models

sxwnchts. >> the short answer is no. >> the director of the university of maryland, since 1949 they tested everything from plane models to cars to roofing, for form and high winds. >> that will tell you how efficient or inefficient it is. >> or whether it will survive in the case of a hurricane. >> the week we were there, they watched how safety signs for offshore oil rigs would stand up for one hour to 100 miles an hour winds. >> what you can find out is whether that particular product will survive in any given wind speed. >> barlow took us inside the wind tunnels, starting with a giant fan. >> there's a 2000 horsepower electric motor here that drives this guy, about 20 feet in diameter. we can generate wind up to 230 miles an hour in the test section. >> then, this to the test area of the tunnel. >> this is where any model we would test, car, plane, whatever, get mounted in here. >> what are you able to measure on the model?

>> we're able to measure lift, drag, side force and the moments that tend to roll it or pitch it or yaw it. >> we wanted to get a feel for a wind test and student isaac roberts agreed to participate. >> andrew, give us 50 miles an hour, tropical storm conditions. >> he can handle that pretty easily? >> pretty easily, yep. >> but it got tougher at 80 miles an hour, a category 1 hurricane. >> when we, at 80 miles an hour, nobody can stand straight up like this without the tethers. >> let's go to 100 guys, this will be a category 2 hurricane speed. >> wow. >> he ae's bolder than most peo we have seen in here. >> then they cranked up the fan even higher. >> 115 miles an hour category 3. >> we're talking about a serious hurricane at this point?

>> a serious hurricane. >> but hurricanes are just part of what they simulate at the wind tunnel. they test car models to make them more aerodynamic and thus fuel efficient. they even brought in the 2002 olympic bobsled team. >> they could get in the bobsled and measure the effect of their different tuck positions. >> barlow has been director of the tunnel since 1977. but he reminded me, wind experiments are still more precise than any computer model. >> the discovery of new ways to understand airflow is still very fascinating to me. maybe we're slow learners, but we're still learning. >> that's the challenge of it? >> that's the challenge. >> over the years, they've te tested everything from nascar models to the keel on a yacht that won the america's cup. dr. barlow says the schedule to use the wind tunnel is always

pack ppd that's it for today. have a great week. we'll see you next fox news sunday. fox news alert on two big stories developing this hour. first, president obama a short time from now address as summit at the u.n. focusing on some of the more enduring problems facing the world today. those remarks ahead. the world stage today includes a one-on-one meeting with russian president vladimir putin tomorrow and told he will meet with raul castro tuesday. it will be streaming live for you on foxnews.com. screen right and this will certainly be a moment. pope francis capping off his visit to the u.s., saving his biggest event for last. the holy father celebrating mass